Monday, July 16, 2007

Al Mohler on the R.C. Church

This taken from http://www.albertmohler.com/blog.php

"Aren't you offended? That is the question many Evangelicals are being asked in the wake of a recent document released by the Vatican. The document declares that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church -- or, in words the Vatican would prefer to use, the only institutional form in which the Church of Christ subsists.
No, I am not offended. In the first place, I am not offended because this is not an issue in which emotion should play a key role. This is a theological question, and our response should be theological, not emotional. Secondly, I am not offended because I am not surprised. No one familiar with the statements of the Roman Catholic Magisterium should be surprised by this development. This is not news in any genuine sense. It is news only in the current context of Vatican statements and ecumenical relations. Thirdly, I am not offended because this new document actually brings attention to the crucial issues of ecclesiology, and thus it presents us with an opportunity.
The Vatican document is very brief -- just a few paragraphs in fact. Its official title is "Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church," and it was released by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on June 29 of this year. Though many media sources have identified the document as a papal statement from Pope Benedict XVI, it is actually a statement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that was later approved for release by the Pope (who, as Cardinal Ratzinger, headed this Congregation prior to assuming the papacy).
The document claims a unique legitimacy for the Roman Catholic Church as the church established by Christ. The document stakes this identity on a claim to apostolic succession, centered in the papacy itself. As the document states, "This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him."
Lest anyone miss the point, the document then goes on to acknowledge that the churches of Eastern Orthodoxy also stake a claim to apostolic succession, and thus they are referred to as "Churches" by the Vatican. As for the churches born in whatever form out of the Reformation -- they are not true churches at all, only "ecclesial communities."
Look at this:
According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called "Churches" in the proper sense.
Pope Benedict was already in hot water with the media because of his recent decision related to the (limited) reinstitution of the Latin mass, complete with a call for the conversion of the Jews. He was not likely to be named "Ecumenist of the Year" anyway. This latest controversy just adds to the media impression of big changes at the Vatican under the current papacy.
There have been changes for sure. Benedict is truly a doctrinal theologian, whereas his popular predecessor, Pope John Paul II, was more a philosopher by academic training. Those familiar with the current pope know of his frustration with the tendency of liberal Catholic theologians and laypersons to insist that the Second Vatican Council (known popularly as "Vatican II") represented a massive shift (to the left) in Catholic doctrine. Not so, insisted Cardinal Ratzinger as head of the Congregation for the Defense of the Faith. Now, as Pope, Benedict is in a position to shape his argument into a universal policy for his church. Vatican II, he insists, represented only a deepening and reapplication of unchanging Catholic doctrine.
Evangelicals should appreciate the candor reflected in this document. There is no effort here to confuse the issues. To the contrary, the document is an obvious attempt to set the record straight. The Roman Catholic Church does not deny that Christ is working redemptively through Protestant and evangelical churches, but it does deny that these churches which deny the authority of the papacy are true churches in the most important sense. The true church, in other words, is that church identified through the recognition of the papacy. Those churches that deny or fail to recognize the papacy are "ecclesial Communities," not churches "in the proper sense."
I appreciate the document's clarity on this issue. It all comes down to this -- the claim of the Roman Catholic Church to the primacy of the Bishop of Rome and the Pope as the universal monarch of the church is the defining issue. Roman Catholics and Evangelicals should together recognize the importance of that claim. We should together realize and admit that this is an issue worthy of division. The Roman Catholic Church is willing to go so far as to assert that any church that denies the papacy is no true church. Evangelicals should be equally candid in asserting that any church defined by the claims of the papacy is no true church. This is not a theological game for children, it is the honest recognition of the importance of the question.
The Reformers and their heirs put their lives on the line in order to stake this claim. In this era of confusion and theological laxity we often forget that this was one of the defining issues of the Reformation itself. Both the Reformers and the Roman Catholic Church staked their claim to be the true church -- and both revealed their most essential convictions in making their argument. As Martin Luther and John Calvin both made clear, the first mark of the true Church is the ministry of the Word -- the preaching of the Gospel. The Reformers indicted the Roman Catholic Church for failing to exhibit this mark, and thus failing to be a true Church. The Catholic church returned the favor, defining the church in terms of the papacy and magisterial authority. Those claims have not changed.
I also appreciate the spiritual concern reflected in this document. The artificial and deadly dangerous game of ecumenical confusion has obscured issues of grave concern for our souls. I truly believe that Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are concerned for our evangelical souls and our evangelical congregations. Pope Benedict is not playing a game. He is not asserting a claim to primacy on the playground. He, along with the Magisterium of his church, believes that Protestant churches are gravely defective and that our souls are in danger. His sacramental theology plays a large role in this concern, for he believes and teaches that a church without submission to the papacy has no guaranteed efficacy for its sacraments. (This point, by the way, explains why the Protestant churches that claim a sacramental theology are more concerned about this Vatican statement -- it denies the basic validity of their sacraments.)
I actually appreciate the Pope's concern. If he is right, we are endangering our souls and the souls of our church members. Of course, I am convinced that he is not right -- not right on the papacy, not right on the sacraments, not right on the priesthood, not right on the Gospel, not right on the church.
The Roman Catholic Church believes we are in spiritual danger for obstinately and disobediently excluding ourselves from submission to its universal claims and its papacy. Evangelicals should be concerned that Catholics are in spiritual danger for their submission to these very claims. We both understand what is at stake.
The Rev. Mark Hanson, presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, responded to the press by saying that the Vatican's "exclusive claims" are "troubling." He also said, "what may have been meant to clarify has caused pain."
I will let Bishop Hanson explain his pain. I do not see this new Vatican statement as an innovation or an insult. I see it as a clarification and a helpful demarcation of the issues at stake.
I appreciate the Roman Catholic Church's candor on this issue, and I believe that Evangelical Christians, with equal respect and clarity, should respond in kind. This is a time to be respectfully candid -- not a time to be offended."

8 comments:

Caleb Kolstad said...

I think this is a great article by Dr. Mohler.

I do disagree with him over this point, "This is a theological question, and our response should be theological, not emotional."

When Jesus cleansed the temple in the gospels what you have there is sanctified zeal for God's house driving him to clean out the temple of God. Emotions (that are sanctified) and theology can and do go together.

What that said, i understand what Dr. Mohler is trying to say. I just think he could have said that part better.

What say you on this?

Anonymous said...

Caleb how you doing? i'm great! don't now what to write... bye from your right hand man

Caleb Kolstad said...

Carter,

You are my right hand man! Stay in the Book.

ck

Tacosix said...

Mohler is one of my favs...except that he speaks from a vocabulary that is well beyond my basic words.

Sometimes the groups that runs with R.C. Sproul (but not R.C. himself as I have heard him say the opposite) seems to make the notion that emotion is bad.

Emotion is given to us by our creator albeit it is now tainted by our sin.

As far as how to respond to this...first of all I am not offended at all, like Mohler. I have never considered the RC church as being a part of the body I am part of. Do they recognize the Christ? Yes. Do they "worship" the same God as me? To an extent, yes. But that is where the line is drawn because there are so many other items of contention that it isn't funny.

I have a guy that sells product for me that is 60 years old. He is an interesting chap...he was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic monastery for 7 years then dropped out to join the hippy movement of the 60's. More recently was an "elder" in the Unitarian church. Even more recently is so into new age...centering, etc. He throws things at me all the time like "I just can't accept that Christ is the way". Leslie told me one time to tell him to stop because that should be offending me...I said no. He isn't offending me...he is offending God. He is only doing what comes "natural" to an unregenerate person. My job isn't to defend myself or my faith...it is to present him with the true gospel of Christ...

Likewise, how do we handle our friends that are RC? Like any other unbeliever, unregenerate person...continually present the gospel to them, and even us words when necessary.

Unknown said...

I am a Roman Catholic. I'd recommend that each of my Protestant brothers and sisters read a book by Dr Scott Hahn titled 'Home Sweet Rome' Then you can decide on the Truth re: my Faith in Christ Jesus. Thanks for the excellent comments

May God Bless and Keep you in His Loving Arms
Tom

bran_and_shann said...

Just to chime in on the emotional bit here. When Mohler says that this is a theological issue and therefore should be responded to theologically and not emotionally, he speaks with wisdom.
When our beliefs are attacked, there are natural reactions that happen depending on the depth of the attack. There's that surge of adreneline as the other person is speaking, waiting for the chance to blast him with a semi-automatic shot of the tongue full of scripture, logic and what not regarding why he is wrong. Then there's the reaction of feeling hurt because Someone we hold dear has been wrongfully attacked and accused, and we want to defend Him. God's been attacked and accused for thousands of years--I say he does a good job of emotionally responding.
The difference between the way God responds to attack and the way we respond to attack is that his response is naturally in love, while our response is naturally in defense. Depending on the type of emotional response, opportunities to proclaim the Gospel, by word and deed, could be shattered. For example, what good has the emotional response of the Christian who disrupted the hindu prayer on Capitol Hill (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007
0712/pl_afp/uspoliticsreligion;_y
lt=Al47WRRgnYDtu4sw8D19SmI7Xs8F) done for the sake of the Gospel? Yes, it pointed out to people the truth of the exclusivity of the Gospel, but the emotionally charged disruption caused more people to read the article and say, "I can't stand how narrow-minded the evangelicals are," than to say, "boy, he has a point! Maybe I should follow Jesus."
Emotion should be expressed with tact when it comes to being salt and light. In speaking specifically to the words of the Pope, his words should not be looked at as an attack on the evangelical faith. Rather, we should look at it as insight, giving us further opportunity to respond with informed and tactful answers to catholocism, rather than in pitiful ignorance.

Caleb Kolstad said...

Tomas,

Thank you for your comment.

Bran and Shannon,

I think we are pretty close on this issue. I just believe light and heat can co-exist with the Spirit's aid.

I'm not suggesting the person disrupting the Hindu prayer was a good example of what i calling for.

Thanks for your thoughts! I can't wait for you all to have your baby.

Caleb

Caleb Kolstad said...

Brandon and Shannon said, "Emotion should be expressed with tact when it comes to being salt and light."

If our emotion is sinful or even simply unwise than i am in full agreement with the comments above.

The Roman Catholic church denies fundamental doctrines of the gospel including the doctrine by which the church stands or falls (Sola Fide). Justification by faith alone is clearly a non negotiable doctrine of objective truth. The book of Galatians and Romans make the point painfully obvious. The Counsel of Trent on the other hand makes it clear that anyone who believes one is justified by faith alone is anathema.

Faith alone and Scripture alone were the key doctrines behind the Reformation(s) in the 1600's. The R.C. church has not changed their dogma and therefore any attempt to partner with them or join the "only true church" (in the Pope's words) would be horribly wrong.

I choose to stand on the authority of Scripture. I believe thousands of martyrs understood the signficance of the issues at hand. They gave their lives to protect and preserve the purity of the biblical gospel. Those who seek to rewrite history or simply say the Reformation is now over (like Mark Noll) in my judgment are spitting on the graves of those who've gone before us.

Jude 3 and 1 Peter 3:15 still matter.

Paul was pretty passionate in the book of Galatians. As a matter of fact he said if you preach another gospel, you are damned. No person understood what it meant to be salt and light than this church planter/missionary/pastor.

Love people, speak truth, defend the truth, love people, speak the truth, repeat process until one dies.

Together for the gospel,
Caleb